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LINKS> USSVI American Submariner 2008 Convention 2009 Convention 2010 Convention Western Reg W Reg Distr 4 Bremerton Base Base Bylaws
Issue Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 Link> Bremerton Base Shipstore
Updated: Wednesday, 19 March 2008
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E-Board Commander: Don "Red" Bassler V Commander: Robert G "Bob" Webster Secretary: Richard "Dick" Litscher Treasurer: Gary "Dutch" Kaiser COB: Henry "Hank" Hollis Past Cdr: John Gardner
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"Before political correctness, a universal Navy term for requesting an underwater telephone check with another boat or skimmer."
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Committeemen Chaplain: Bill Hipp Membership: Need Help Publicity: Need Help PS Editor: Sam Swenson Webmaster: Don "Mac" Smith Holland Club: Dave Davenport Storekeeper: Tommy Robinson Scholarship: "Bob" Webster Fireworks: Joe Gavasso Bonefish Mgr: Sam Swenson Special Proj: Bob Paulsen
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2008 Meeting Schedule (FRA #29 at 1900 unless other wise indicated) Jan 15, Speaker ,Bill Lightfoot Marine Historian
Feb 16, 10:30 AM Social @ FRA Speaker : Author Ed Monroe-Jones "Wives of Navy Personnel Thru History"
Mar 18th, No Speaker Yet
Apr 15th, Speaker, Capt Dan Prince, CO,TTF, Bangor
May 20th, Speaker, Submarine Historian, John Clear.
Jun17th, Annual Scholarship Awards
Jul 19, Annual Picnic, Illahee State Park. 10-?
Aug 19th Speaker, Capt Jim Stone, CO, IMF BANGOR
Sept 16th
Oct 21
Nov 18th
Dec, TBD, HC Induction & Christmas Dinner
Puget Soundings, #1
MEETING MINUTES
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Welcome aboard 6 new members: Fred Green (James Madison), Ken Northfield, (Whale, John Marshall), William Mead (Baton Rouge, Indianapolis, Helena, Kamehameha, Henry M Jackson, Nevada) John Gee (Henry M. Jackson), Grant Romaine (Tautog, Hawkbill), George Kreppien (James Monroe, John C Calhoun, Georgia). Also welcome back Mike Madden (Queenfish. Baya, Truda, Tirante, Cutlass) from MAL Status. Tommy Robinson & Sam Swenson performed recruiting duty in the TTF Lobby on Wed, Mar 5th. They recruited 1 new member and collected bases dues from other members Those members who may have not renewed membership for 2008, please do so. We are getting close to being the second largest base (309 members) in the USSVI, next to Groton Base. Please renew! Losing you will set us back!.
Details of the 2008 Enlisted Submarine Birthday Ball have been announced. It will be held on Friday, April 25th at the Seattle Sheridan Hotel. As you are well aware this is an annual event organized by active duty personnel. This year the Sub Ball committee has been kind to allot 20 slots for USSVI members. In co-operation with Seattle & South Sound Bases, we have given WWII vets the first opportunity at the tickets. By next week it should be clear how many tickets are remaining. For details: click on http://gertrude-check.up-scope.org/subball.pdf. Call me (Don, 360-479-1642) for Sub Ball tickets before making hotel reservations.
Date: 3/19/2008
Submarinemuseums.org is the place to go to see details of 20 submarine museums nation wide. Take a look.
Many older vets may have known Commander Joe McGrievy, who recently passed away in San Diego. Please go to this site and view a TV clip of a memorial ceremony for Joe. http://video.nbcsandiego.com/player/?id=228480
Please review the 2008 Convention Web site at this site: http://ussvi2008.com/. It will be held in the Dallas/Ft Worth area of Texas.
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Take a look at the lower end of the right column for WRD4 Base newsletter links
The Submarine Association of Canada (SAOC West) is putting on an International Gathering of Submariners in Victoria BC from 2-5 May 2008. They are celebrating the 40th Anniversary of the commissioning of the HMC submarines Okanagan and Rainbow . We are invited. Please look at this web page for details and a registration form. http://members.shaw.ca/saocwest/2008.htm. The registration fee covers a Friday meet and greet event, the Saturday evening Banquet and Dance and the Sunday brunch plus a tour or two. Some of our members have registered, including myself. I suggest others consider this opportunity reunite or meet with our Canadian hosts. Several supported us on our cruise convention and you will find them very delightful and friendly. UPDATE
Ahoy All,
2008 Lt William "Willie" Spoon Memorial Scholarship Program Update
In mid-January of this year the 2008 Lt. William
"Willie" Spoon Memorial scholarship raffle tickets were mailed out to the
Bremerton Base membership and, to date,133 members have responded with
donations which represents 45% of the membership base. Other members have
also responded with generous donations in lieu of raffle tickets.
Raffle Prizes (gift certificates) are solicited from local restaurants that we visit 2 or 3 times a year each. Listed to the right are the ones that made contributions in 2007. Also individual members are encouraged to solicit prizes or cash contributions from businesses that you trade with. It is suggested that you go back to the ones you solicited last year for a donation. Here is a pdf file that appeared in last July/August's Puget Soundings that could be used to show what we did. Also this letter (word file) could be used to solicit prizes.
GO GET EM!
NEW SKED You can still make your submarine experience count! Trident Training Center (TTF) Command Master Chief Scott Fusco and USSVI Bremerton Base Past Commander John Gardner have a program that lets you share your submarine experience and lessons learned with young sailors graduating from the TTF ET course. Each one of the classes has been named after one of the "Forty One for Freedom". On graduation day Master Chief Fusco invites a team of two Bremerton Base members (preferably that has served on that class's name sake boat) in, to give a short talk on their experiences, etc. We have been involved in two or three of these graduations to date.
Coming up on the following dates are graduating classes with the boat names with members names that served on those boats. TEAM UP! Then/or e-mail John (jgardner@donobi.net) or call him at 360-692-8994.
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Shipbuilding Wish List Sails Into Troubled Waters
More here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/world/europe/19arctic.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=slogin
Diesel-Electric Submarines, The U.S. Navy’s Latest Annoyance By Grace Jean, National Defense Magazine, April 08 The Navy in recent months has had to contend with several provoking episodes at sea – Iranian small boats speeding at its cruisers, destroyers and frigates; Russian bombers flying over its carriers; and Chinese subs shadowing its warships. Hard-to-detect submarines – such as quiet, diesel-electric boats – are particularly vexing, Navy officials say. They contend that an undersea arms race already has begun in the western Pacific. Nations there in recent years have begun to acquire stealthy diesel-electric submarines. Some of those nations, say Navy officials, could one day threaten U.S. access to strategic coastal areas of the world or interrupt the flow of commerce around the globe. Although the Navy has the world’s most technologically advanced fleet – including state-of-the-art nuclear attack submarines – officials acknowledge that these comparatively low-tech diesel-electric boats could give an enemy an asymmetric advantage. “The beauty about a diesel submarine is that it has the potential to be far quieter than a nuclear submarine,” says Guy Stitt, president of AMI International, a Bremerton, Wash.-based company specializing in naval market analysis. Diesel boats are propelled by batteries when submerged and move through the water by diesel engines when on the surface. Once they have powered up their batteries, the submarines can sail to the bottom of coastal waters and remain undetected for days. Though they can’t travel long distances or sail very quickly, advancements in technologies, such as air-independent propulsion and fuel cells, have allowed diesel submarines to extend their operational ranges underwater. But perhaps their best selling point is their relatively inexpensive price tags. The Russians have sold diesel submarines for as little as $200 million and the French have exported their Scorpene submarines for $300 million. “It is within the scope of many, many countries to be able to afford them. They don’t need a lot of them. They don’t need to sail them very far, and they don’t have to be particularly proficient with them,” says Vice Adm. Samuel Locklear, commander of the Navy’s Third Fleet, which prepares strike groups to deploy to the Pacific and the Middle East. More than 39 nations possess diesel submarines. One of the latest tallies indicates a total of 377 ships in the world, says Richard Dorn, an analyst at AMI International. And there could be an uptick in the next few years. With China continuing to increase the size of its navy, a number of neighboring nations also have begun to develop their undersea capabilities. “There’s a push on in Asia that really seems to be driven by China,” says Stitt. Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia all have closed deals on diesel submarines, and now Thailand is following suit. Driving the market in part is Russia, which during the past 18 months has been aggressively selling ships, including its Kilo-class diesels. “We’ve seen a huge increase in the number of sales that they’re booking for Kilos, primarily motivated by the need for funds to strengthen their second tier shipbuilding groups,” says Stitt. Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has lost many of its secondary shipyard suppliers – the engine, pump and valve manufacturers, piping companies and the like. But Russia is attempting to revitalize those small companies. “They’re going out and making all these deals to sell submarines and ships and using those funds to reinvigorate the industry, which in turn will also benefit them in building up the Russian fleet,” says Stitt. Russia has exported 30 Kilos around the globe and 26 are still in active service. It will deliver two more submarines to Algeria by 2010, five to Venezuela by 2020, and six to Indonesia by 2018. China received its 12th and final Kilo last year. The number of Kilos that are being sold is particularly concerning because many of the submarines are equipped with Klub anti-ship cruise missiles. Some nations have a desire for regional hegemony and want to strengthen their influence in an area. That’s most definitely the reason for President Hugo Chavez buying subs for Venezuela, says Stitt. But for other nations, the reasons are less clear. “There’s a wide array of military assets you can buy, so why would you buy a diesel-electric submarine? As far as I know, it’s not to protect your own port,” says Locklear in an interview at Third Fleet headquarters perched atop Point Loma in San Diego. That China’s submarines are surfacing boldly near U.S. warships is a telltale sign of newer advanced technologies, such as acoustic tiles and cavitation-reducing propellers, that are being employed on the submarines, says Stitt. China’s new Song-class diesel submarines have tracked U.S. Navy ships operating in the seas near Japan and Taiwan. Last November, after China denied the USS Kitty Hawk’s port call in Hong Kong at the last minute, a Chinese submarine shadowed the carrier as it entered the Taiwan Straits on its return voyage to Yokosuka, Japan. In the late fall of 2006, a Song-class submarine surfaced within torpedo range of the Kitty Hawk off the coast of Okinawa, Japan. Despite the tensions, those episodes and the topic of submarines did not come up directly in conversations with Chinese officials in January, when the commander of Pacific Command, Adm. Timothy Keating, visited the nation. “We watch them carefully. It’s an area of warfare at which they’re stretching a little bit,” he told reporters during a breakfast meeting in Washington, D.C. “Their numbers of submarines are increasing. The capabilities resident in those submarines are not unimpressive. They’re pretty good – we’re better.” China’s fleet of nuclear and diesel submarines includes 10 Song class, 12 Kilo class, one Yuan class and 32 Romeo class. “We know that they are continually expanding their reach in what they view as their own areas of interest, and that their submarine force is vital to expanding that reach,” says Locklear. The proliferation of diesel submarines in the Pacific is one of the major factors behind the Navy’s decision to move six submarines from the Atlantic Fleet to the Pacific Fleet, says Rear Adm. Joseph Walsh, commander of the Pacific Submarine Force. Because more than 140 diesel subs are within reach of critical “choke points” in the area, anti-submarine warfare is Pacific Fleet’s top war-fighting priority, he adds. The Navy saw its anti-submarine warfare skills diminish after the end of the Cold War. In those days, enemy Soviet nuclear submarines were noisy, and could be detected with passive sonar. But modern-day diesel submarines are not as easily heard, particularly in regions of the seas where biological life and merchant shipping can camouflage their acoustic signatures. It is there, in the noisy waters of the littorals, where detecting submarines can be a cat-and-mouse game, Navy officials say. Rear Adm. John Waickwicz, who was the head of the Naval Mine and Anti-Submarine Warfare Command until he retired in January, says the Navy is looking at anti-submarine warfare in new ways. “When you talk about countries that have 30, 40, or 50 submarines, you can’t wait until they’re around you, because they’re going to overwhelm you,” he says. Potential enemies have figured that to defeat the U.S. Navy, they must “go out and buy submarines, and buy mines,” he says. The mine and anti-submarine warfare command is calling for the deployment of a network of sonobuoys over a wide expanse of ocean to detect enemy submarines. But the project has been marred by technological and funding problems. The most significant hitch is that the data collected by the sensors takes too long to analyze, says Waickwicz. “You need to do it in real time to take action on it.” False alarm rates on many of the fleet’s current detection technologies are too high, Waickwicz adds. That forces commanders to waste resources on non-existent threats. Officials insist that the Navy’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities are the best in the business, but they acknowledge that it will take some time to hone the skills to combat stealthy diesel submarines. Waickwicz says that training has improved in recent years, but some individual units are not adequately prepared for at-sea operations. For example, some units have demonstrated sonar operator proficiency on simulations that are not sophisticated enough to replicate the real environment, which puts the sailors at a disadvantage when they conduct operations at sea, says Rear Adm. Frank Drennan, the new commander of the Naval Mine and Anti-Submarine Warfare Command. “The requirements are still the same – they just have to work on them in a challenging environment so that operators are truly proficient when they go to sea,” he says. Hunting for quiet diesel submarines in the shallow waters of the littorals is akin to trying to identify the sound of a single car engine in the din of a major city, he says. There are variations in the underwater topography, with sand bars, coral reefs and channels. Different depths of water and changing salinity and temperatures alter how sounds propagate. Marine life and merchant shipping also complicate the search by generating ambient noise. The only technology that the Navy considers suitable for detecting and tracking diesel submarines is active sonar. It disperses signals out into the water where they bounce off of objects. Those echoes are captured by hydrophones and interpreted by sonar technicians. Contrary to popular belief, sonar is not like radar, which gives complete visibility of “hits” in the air. What sonar technicians see is a screen that is filled with vertical lines representing echoes from objects in the water. Discerning which line is a submarine and which one is a coral reef is a difficult and complex task, sailors say. The Navy spent 40 years building a training range on the coast of Southern California – one of the most extensive in the world, officials say. Underwater sensors track ships’ locations and record operations during exercises. Because the water and ocean bottom conditions are representative of many areas around the world, the range is an ideal location for training strike groups in anti-submarine warfare, says Locklear. But the Navy’s training there has been curtailed by ongoing litigation over the harmful effects of active sonar on marine mammals. Under a federal judge’s ruling, ships were forbidden from using active sonar within 12 nautical miles of shore and had to steer clear of waters between the Santa Catalina and San Clemente islands during a joint training exercise in January for the Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group. Sightings of marine mammals at certain distances also prompted ships to take protective measures, such as powering down sonar or shutting the sensors off completely. “We’re not able to employ the sonar, given those restrictions, in a realistic manner, and it just makes it real tough to assess whether the fleet is proficient at using the technology,” says Capt. Pete Tomczak, deputy director for training at Third Fleet. The use of sonar by the Navy has been linked to mass marine mammal strandings on beaches in the Bahamas and the Canary Islands. Pending necropsy results, the death of a northern right whale dolphin that washed up Jan. 29 on the Navy’s San Nicolas Island could be connected to sonar use. Locklear says the Navy tries to balance its responsibility to protect the environment with its job to prepare sailors for war. He expresses concern that the judge’s ruling, if extrapolated beyond Southern California, could hamper Navy training around the world. “If this becomes precedence setting, I think it will be very difficult for the United States Navy,” he says. “If there was a new technology on the horizon that made this irrelevant, we would be all over it. We just haven’t found it yet.” With prospects of at-sea training diminishing, not only because of the litigation, but also as a result of rising fuel costs and other budget constraints, the Navy is searching for alternative ways to prepare its sailors for anti-submarine warfare. One option is to rely on simulators, says Waickwicz. But he points out that current simulations in the Navy do not replicate sonar accurately. “It’s like playing ‘Pong’ in today’s game world,” he says. While the submarine forces have higher fidelity trainers, much of the rest of the fleet – especially surface ships – have sub-par simulations. “Computer simulations can only go so far. There is still no substitute for at-sea practice against a real submarine,” says Pacific Fleet’s Walsh. Because the U.S. Navy no longer operates diesel-electric submarines, it invites allied countries that own these boats to participate in exercises at Navy ranges on the east and west coasts. The Swedish Navy’s HMS Gotland collaborated most recently with various Navy commands in San Diego. “It was very advantageous to have a diesel submarine crew for two years, to see how they thought, how they approached the issues to go against the ships,” says Waickwicz. “It really opened our eyes to diesel submarines and how active sonar is what you have to have in the strike group.” The experience led to recent changes in the Navy’s anti-submarine warfare doctrine and tactics.
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